Opinions Vary: Manners & Deportment in a Cigar Lounge

Opinions Vary: Manners & Deportment in a Cigar Lounge

There are unwritten rules in this world that some people know by nature and common sense. There are others rule that need to be stated and taught. Many years ago, I was living in South Florida and I was a member of a cigar lounge and I learned the rules over time so I wanted to share them with you. One of the rules I learned in the bathroom where a sign stated: “Don’t talk about yourself. We will do that when you leave.”

That a good life rule for anyone in a social situation.

If you have not been in a cigar lounge, or you go occasionally, these are the rules you should follow:

  • Be nice.
  • Don’t talk about yourself unless asked. You are a stranger or a new guy and the regulars don’t give a shit about you.
  • Ask if the seat is available before you sit. Don’t just plop your ass down like you are owed a seat because you bought a cigar.
  • Take note of the pecking order. Don’t sit with regulars until invited or offered. 
  • If you want to start a conversation, ask the person what they are smoking and what they think of it. Don’t ask “what do you do”, it’s not a date.
  • Don’t ask for the tv to be changed unless you are a regular. It’s a dick move. Watch what everyone is watching.
  • Don’t name drop or brag. It is fucking pathetic, and it immediately lets people know you are full of shit.
  • Don’t break balls unless you know the person well.
  • Dress somewhat nicely. It’s not a construction site or your home. 
  • Bring your own booze if allowed. Offer it to the regulars to speed up the process of becoming a regular.
  • Don’t talk about politics, religion or sex. Of course, you always end of up talking about it, so keep it light.
  • If you are allowed to carry a weapon, unload it BEFORE putting it on the coffee table. 
  • If it is Members Only Lounge, ask if there is a purchase price to go in. Most lounges will let you in for a cigar if you spend $25 or more on cigars.
  • Have somewhere else to go afterwards. Don’t make the lounge your second home. Get in, relax, get out. 

Everyone and every lounge is different. But good manners and deportment cost nothing!

If you like it, drink it (or smoke it!) – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisOpinions Vary: Manners & Deportment in a Cigar Lounge
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Davidoff of Geneva – Downtown NYC

UPDATE: Lounge is now private. You need to be a member to enter. Hudson River has a nice view and benches, smoke there!

Davidoff of Geneva (Downtown) is a cigar store and lounge located at 225 Liberty Street (Brookfield Place) which is considered the “Downtown” area New York City. Davidoff is a Swiss premium brand of cigars, cigarettes and smoker’s accessories. It was founded in 1936 by Zino Davidoff who ran a tobacco specialist shop in Geneva, Switzerland.

The the store is small and the humidor is a walk in type and has nice selection of quality cigars and a large selection of Davidoff cigars. I am not certain if they carry the entire line of Davidoff’s, but at the prices that are listed,  it appears they carry the good ones. The store sells high end accessories such as lighters, cutters, and humidors and the staff is very professional and knowledgable.

Store & Humidor

The lounge is small and caters mainly to the financial people that work downtown. Each time I have visited the lounge after work the televisions have the financial news running and most visitors keep to themselves or their phones and tablets. The smoke eaters are good and I have not suffered any red eyes or headaches when enjoying a stick. The bathroom is in the hallway directly across from the store front in Brookfield Place so it a very short walk if nature calls. I do not know the rules on drinking in the lounge, however, I have seen people having a water of coffee on occasions. The lounge is not a loud, backslapping, shit talking, leaving drinking type of spot. It has a more subdued vibe, however, I only go afterwork from 4pm-6pm. I am not sure how it is on the weekend or during football season.

Lounge Area

Davidoff NYC has three locations in New York. They are on Madison Avenue, 6th Avenue, and Downtown. I have only been to the downtown location as it is near my office. Downtown had an advantage over the others being located in Brookfield Place on Hudson River you can opt to smoke outside on a bench by the river if the weather is nice.

Prices range from $8 to $40+ per single cigar and higher for boxes/accessories. It’s my regular spot to buy and smoke cigars in NYC.

If you like it, drink it (or smoke it)! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisDavidoff of Geneva – Downtown NYC
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Speyburn 10

Name: Speyburn 10

Color: Light Brown

Nose: Malt, honey, flowers, light wood

Taste: Sherry, malt, honey, cedar wood

Speyburn 10 Year Old is produced by Granty Glen Valley which is located in the Speyside region of Scotland. The distillery was founded in 1897 and is currently owned by Inver House Distillers Limited, which is owned by Thaibev from Thailand. The Inver House Distillers also have Old Pultney, Knockdhu, Balnair, and Balmenach under their control.

This medium bodied whisky is aged 10 years in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry casks and bottled at 40% abv. On my first taste it was very sweet on the palate. On the second taste the sweetness is still there, but a smoother quality malt flavor comes out on the finish. 

This whisky is very nice to enjoy neat or on the rocks in warmer weather. I was not familiar with this whisky, so I took a chance on the bottle price vs. age, and it was worth it. It reminds me of Tomatin 12 for price and taste, but higher quality.

Priced around $40 and nice summer scotch for the price. I look forward to trying more expressions.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

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Suntory Whisky – Toki

Name: Suntory Whisky – Toki

Color: Gold

Nose: Light malt, flowers, fresh oak, white fruits

Taste: Honey, malt, oak wood, white pepper

In the Japanese world of whisky Suntory is considered “first authentic Japanese whisky”  as it was specifically created for lighter taste of the Japanese. Prior to the creation of there whisky they were dependent solely on imports from the UK and USA. The distillery was founded by Shinjiro Torii in 1923 and it’s first released was Shirofuda in 1929 and was not well received. In 1937 they released their Kakubin and it was very well received. 

The name Toki translates to “time” in Japanese, and it is a blend of Yamazaki, Hakushu and Chita which are all under Suntory’s control. The taste is clean but does not have a lot of complexity or exotic flavors. It is smooth with a little creamy finish. It is a good baseline whisky but it appears to be marketed a cocktail mixer for the price vs. taste. I get the feeling this is the left over stuff from the three distilleries put into one bottle to squeeze out a bit more production.

Suntory is a massive company. As of 2022, they currently have following whisky distilleries under their control:

Jim Beam Bourbon & Rye, Maker’s Mark, Old Grand-Dad, Old Crow, Baker’s, Basil Hayden’s, Booker’s, Knob Creek Bourbon & Rye, Old Overholt, Rī1, Kessler, Beam’s Eight Star, Laphroaig, Bowmore, Ardmore, Auchentoshan, Teacher’s Highland Cream,  Irish Whiskey,The Tyrconnell, Connemara, Greenore, Kilbeggan, 2 Gingers Irish Whiskey, Alberta Premium, Canadian Club, Tangle Ridge, Windsor Canadian, DYC Whisky, Yamazaki, Hakushu, Hibiki, Oaksmith Gold Whisky, Chita, and Toki. Plus 29 other various types of liquor distilleries and companies under their management. Impressed yet? I was when I read this list.

Priced around $45 and is an affordable Japanese baseline whisky to try or as a summer mixer.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisSuntory Whisky – Toki
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“Ardbeg Olive” Vodka Martini

Name: “Ardbeg Olive” Vodka Martini

Color: Clear and green

Nose: Vodka, olives, smokey peat

Taste: Vodka, olives, smokey peat

As we all know the statement above is correct, but this vodka martini receipt caught my eye and was worth a try at home.

You take quality olives (regular or stuffed blue cheese) and marinate them in a mason jar with Ardbeg Whisky for a few days in the refrigerator. I was told it creates a nice flavor profile and I was pleasantly surprised at the with the results. I am not a vodka guy, but the touch of smokiness and whisky flavor in the olives translates nicely to the vodka. 

It is worth a try if you like vodka martinis or want to mix it up a little for home cocktails. I do not think a lot of bars are going to have them at the ready for your drink. In a pinch, you could ask the bartender to place a couple of drops of Ardbeg in you finished martini.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

Chris“Ardbeg Olive” Vodka Martini
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Jameson Caskmates – Stout Edition

Name: Jameson Caskmates – Stout Edition

Color: Light Brown

Nose: Jameson, stout beer, vanilla, chocolate, something odd

Taste: Jameson, stout beer, vanilla, sharp bitter finish

Review:

Stout Edition is bottled at 40% abv and is aged 6 months and uses Eight Degrees Brewery for the beer barrels as they do for the Jameson Caskmates – IPA Edition. I have drunk beer finished in whiskey barrels (KY Bourbon Barrel Stout) but I have never had whiskey finished in beer barrels until this month. If beer barrels to finish whiskey sounds strange to you it should not. Whiskey is finished in sherry, wine, beer, new, old, refurbished barrels all the time to create flavor.

On the nose of the whiskey I noticed something odd. I am not sure what the odd smell is, but I did some research and the words “odd and different” show up in several descriptions. I was not able to determine what it is, but it might be from the aging process in the casks. Compared to the IPA Edition, Stout Edition has a lighter body with respect to the oiliness in the taste and mouth feel.

I found the taste of Jameson Stout a little too harsh on the tongue. It has a snappy taste on the on the finish and it lingers in the mouth. It is a decent whiskey but the taste but is just ok. It’s good, but not my thing.

Priced around $45 and not my cup of whiskey. I do think this would go well as a shot and followed by a stout beer.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisJameson Caskmates – Stout Edition
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Opinions Vary: What is the difference between Irish Whiskey and Scotch?

Opinions Vary: What is the difference between Irish Whiskey and Scotch?

Answers:

  • Ireland uses and “e”. (Whiskey)
  • Scotch does not have a “e”. (Whisky)
  • Ireland has approximately 32 distilleries.
  • Scotland has approximately 134 distilleries.
  • Irish Whiskey is known to taste smoother with a creamier vanilla finish. It is made from un-malted barley and other grains, produced in copper pot still, aged 3 years in oak barrels, and usually triple distilled. 
  • Scotch Whisky is known to be a fuller, heavier tasting with a stronger finish. It is made from malted barley and other grains, produced in copper pot still, and aged at least 3 years in oak barrels. 
  • Irish Whiskey declined due to poor political decisions during World War II. 
  • Scotch became more popular as a boycott to Irelands political decisions.
  • Someone once said, “God invented Whiskey so the Irish would not rule the World”.
  • The Roman Empire ruled the known World until they got to Scotland. They immediately regretted their decision, marched back to England, and built a giant wall to protect themselves.

Even though I do not drink Irish Whiskey until March, I would not turn down a glass if I was offered one but I only buy them for March reviews. 

I hope you enjoyed the Irish Reviews for March! There is a lot of whiskey’s to try, don’t limit yourself!

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisOpinions Vary: What is the difference between Irish Whiskey and Scotch?
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Opinions Vary – Saint Patrick’s Day

Opinions Vary – Saint Patrick’s Day

Well… Saint Patrick’s Day circa 2023 has come and gone. The celebration of Saint Patrick and his miracles is a wonderful Roman Catholic holiday that is represented by the best of humanity who make all efforts to spread the word. Ok, everyone wants to be Irish that day and use it to get properly shitfaced. 

If you have never been to a proper St. Patrick’s Day parade or drinking event in NYC, Chicago, or Boston you are either very lucky or missing out depending on your personality. The level of drunkenness I have witnessed since moving to NYC in 2014 is epic. I have seen NYFD in full uniform vomiting in front of fire houses, women in green peeing in the streets, leprechauns tossed in the air, cats & dogs living together, basically mass hysteria. 

If you did not know, St. Patrick is the patron Saint of Ireland and he “drove the snakes out of Ireland”. Which means he brought the Catholic religion to Ireland to replace the Pagan religion. The Irish, however, been old fashioned, hold onto a little paganism with the sun in their cross. Old habits die hard.

For me, I have always avoided St. Patrick’s Day. I find it to now be a silly holiday that is more an excuse to drink than remember a Saint. It is right up there with the other silly holidays used to drink and get you to buy cheap plastic shit such as Cinco de Mayo, Santa-Con, and Pumpkin Spice Latte season. 

I hope you had a wonderful St. Patrick’s Day this and your liver is still functioning.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisOpinions Vary – Saint Patrick’s Day
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Guinness Draft

Name: Guinness Draft

Color: Black

Nose: Malted barley, roasted chocolate, cream

Taste: Malted barley, roasted chocolate, cream with a tang finish

Guinness Draught beer (aka “The Black Stuff”) was created as an Irish Dry Stout in 1759 by Arthur Guinness in Dublin, Ireland. There is a very long and interesting history to this beer which is worth reading if you have the time.

The flavor is specific to the brand and comes from malted barley, roasted un-malted barley, and the mixture of nitrogen and carbon dioxide which helps created the creamy tangy tasted. The canned version has a “popper” that drops into it when opened it to inject the gas, however, the can and bottle versions do not taste as good as the draught.

There is a specific method on “how to pour a proper pint”. Guinness has set the standard for time and temperature. A pour should be 119.53 seconds and it should be served at 42.8˚F. If you order pint in a proper pub with Irish bartenders, you will wait about 10+ minutes until it arrives as they let the beer settle before finishing the pour. Most American bartenders do not do this and serve it cloudy and brown instead of black with a creamy white head. So, if you are doing proper drinking in proper pub, plan order times accordingly.

The most interesting thing about Guinness to me, other than being my favorite beer, was a marketing campaign for years that stated: “Guinness is Good for You”. This campaign is no longer used for obvious reasons, but there must have been some truth to it. My Mum told me a story that when my Grandfather had stomach surgery in Glasgow, Scotland the hospital gave him soup and two Guinness per day during his recovery. Let that sink in for a minute. A doctor, who went to medical school, had my Grandfather drinking his favorite beer in a hospital bed each day he was there. Below is a photo of my Grandfather, his Guinness, a cigarette and always in a three-piece suit in public.

Flo Armstrong

Priced around $8-10 a pint and is my favorite beer, but it never tastes as good in America bars as it does in UK pubs.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisGuinness Draft
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Irish Coffee

Name: Irish Coffee

Color:  Black and white

Nose: Coffee and whiskey

Taste: Coffee and whiskey with sugar and cream

Irish Coffee, or as I like to say, “the original Redbull & Vodka” will keep you up long enough to make an asshole out of yourself and get a ride to the drunk tank in the Paddy Wagon. My early life experiences with Irish Coffee were not good ones. Growing up in Boston they always used cheap whiskey, burnt coffee, whipped cream from a can, green liquor drizzle, and topped it with green sprinkles. It was similar to a Mudslide, a gimmick that tasted like shit and full of sugar.

Irish Coffee is classified as a cocktail and when it was created is unknown, but Cofffe & Booze was on the menu in Viennese Coffeehouses in the 1850’s. The Irish version I assume has been around since they started drinking coffee and most likely started with tea. It did not become popular in America until the 1950’s. The first place that served Irish Coffee can be debated, but any place with pub and large Irish populations would have served it on or off the menu.

What made the cocktail popular and now famous was the Buena Vista in San Francisco. It is a smaller sized tight table restaurant and from what I am told they make a very well balanced cocktail with home made cream. Online they state they make “over 2,000 a day” so even if everyone had 2 drinks that is 1,000 people that visit that restaurant a day. That is a lot. 

If you are in NYC I can recommend the Dead Rabbit in NYC for an Irish coffee. It is very tasty and the bartender told me they do an infusion process and make extra effort to to create the perfect cocktail. 

Irish Coffee:

  • Use a warm glass.
  • Add 2 sugar cubes.
  • Pour hot coffee to fill ¾ of the glass and stir to dissolve the sugar.
  • Add whiskey.
  • Top with cold cream poured over a spoon.

Dead Rabbit, NYC Irish Coffee & Green Spot

Personally, I do not like booze in my coffee. I don’t drink or order Irish Coffees but that is just me. I am half Scottish and all my whiskey needs is a glass.

If you like it, drink it! – Christopher

If you like it, drink it!

ChrisIrish Coffee
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